Very Confused - Doctype? - I've already had a banta through some of that over the past few weeks, but unfortunately w3c documents, i don't

bocaj · 17th February 2009, 11:27 PM

I've already had a banta through some of that over the past few weeks, but unfortunately w3c documents, i don't find particularly easy to read, or make sense of.

A List Apart: Articles: A Preview of HTML 5

Out of all the articles i've found, that's been the best, but i'm looking for something that covers it a little more.

Maybe i'll just have to wait :unsure:

saltedm8 · 17th February 2009, 11:50 PM

sorry then mate hehe... I thought you may have seen it; but it might be useful to someone else lol

Moofburger · 18th February 2009, 01:32 PM

At any rate it will be a while before HTML 5 is supported by IE etc, which once again makes it a tough call. Much like CSS 3 which is awesome, not realistic for the majority due to the majority using crap.

Haneul Sang · 4th May 2009, 07:39 AM

Hi,
A Document Type Declaration, or DOCTYPE, is an instruction that associates a particular SGML or XML document (for example, a webpage) with a Document Type Definition (DTD) (for example, the formal definition of a particular version of HTML). In the serialized form of the document, it manifests as a short string of markup that conforms to a particular syntax. The HTML layout engines in modern web browsers perform DOCTYPE "sniffing" or "switching", wherein the DOCTYPE in a document served as text/html determines a layout mode, such as "quirks mode" or "standards mode". The text/html serialization of HTML 5, which is not SGML-based, uses DOCTYPE only for mode selection

Mike Hopley · 30th July 2009, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CloudedVision

I do know they're dumping XHTML and reverting back to HTML for HTML 5

No, they're not. You can use either XHTML or HTML in HTML 5.

Indeed, you can start doing this already. There's nothing stopping you from slapping a <!DOCTYPE html> on your web pages; Google.com already does.

(Of course, the same old MIME type issue exists with XHTML in HTML 5.)

Support for the new HTML 5 features is patchy, so you have to careful if you start throwing in <section> and <nav>, for example.

Oh and er...hi. :)

saltedm8 · 31st July 2009, 01:12 AM

hehe.. just thought I would hijack to say hello and welcome mike

and also add that I just tried to validate their doctype to see how it fairs. thorght it would be interesting to post the doctype result

Quote:

Using experimental feature: HTML5 Conformance Checker.
The validator checked your document with an experimental feature: HTML5 Conformance Checker. This feature has been made available for your convenience, but be aware that it may be unreliable, or not perfectly up to date with the latest development of some cutting-edge technologies. If you find any issue with this feature, please report them. Thank you.

from a pure accessibility point of view, its a bad idea to try to use it for now.

Jordan · 31st July 2009, 03:39 AM

You usually should use XHTML Doctype when your site contains jQuery, etc so they can be performed properly. That's one of the reasons why.

But the rest, not to sure.

Jack Franklin · 31st July 2009, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan

You usually should use XHTML Doctype when your site contains jQuery, etc so they can be perform properly. That's one of the reasons why.

But the rest, not to sure.

Can I ask where you got that info from? I've always used HTML 4 strict on all my sites and never had a problem with jQuery.

[And welcome Mike ;))

Mike Hopley · 31st July 2009, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan

You usually should use XHTML Doctype when your site contains jQuery, etc so they can be perform properly.

I've never heard that before. What gave you that idea?

I've not noticed any issues using HMTL and jQuery.

Quote:

Originally Posted by saltedm8

from a pure accessibility point of view, its a bad idea to try to use it for now.

Eh? What does this have to do with accessibility?

I'm not advocating HTML 5, by the way; personally, I think it's rather pointless to use it this early on. But you can use it if you want to.

saltedm8 · 31st July 2009, 11:09 AM

They are warning against using it for now because of potential issues

Quote:

but be aware that it may be unreliable, or not perfectly up to date with the latest development of some cutting-edge technologies

I would say that effects accessibility just a tad lol

Quote:

Web accessibility is about enabling equal access to online content and services for all people, including those with visual and mobility impairment

in other words, if even only a few people might have problems using it, it should not really be used, but I am sure that in the future it would be a good choice.

here is a nice little article to read HTML Versus XHTML - The Web Standards Project

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bocaj Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 186 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I've already had a banta through some of that over the past few weeks, but unfortunately w3c documents, i don't find particularly easy to read, or make sense of. A List Apart: Articles: A Preview of HTML 5 Out of all the articles i've found, that's been the best, but i'm looking for something that covers it a little more. Maybe i'll just have to wait :unsure:

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Moofburger Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	At any rate it will be a while before HTML 5 is supported by IE etc, which once again makes it a tough call. Much like CSS 3 which is awesome, not realistic for the majority due to the majority using crap.

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Haneul Sang Whacked Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Expertise: Total Beginner Experience: Basic / None	Hi, A Document Type Declaration, or DOCTYPE, is an instruction that associates a particular SGML or XML document (for example, a webpage) with a Document Type Definition (DTD) (for example, the formal definition of a particular version of HTML). In the serialized form of the document, it manifests as a short string of markup that conforms to a particular syntax. The HTML layout engines in modern web browsers perform DOCTYPE "sniffing" or "switching", wherein the DOCTYPE in a document served as text/html determines a layout mode, such as "quirks mode" or "standards mode". The text/html serialization of HTML 5, which is not SGML-based, uses DOCTYPE only for mode selection